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Title: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 03, 2011, 06:02:35 AM
I have yet to fully map the vast unexplored donga of Silences' cerebral hinterland.

who knows what a 'donga' is, without looking it up?

Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Ed on February 03, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
I have yet to fully map the vast unexplored donga of Silences' cerebral hinterland.

who knows what a 'donga' is, without looking it up?



You? :scratch:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: desertwomble on February 03, 2011, 04:14:51 PM
Dongas were from my part of the world when I lived in Zimbabwe. They're still in my part of the world, but here they're called wadis.

DW :cheesy:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 04, 2011, 07:42:35 AM
I have yet to fully map the vast dongas of Silences' cerebral hinterland; unexplored gullies.

does that help the reader out?
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: desertwomble on February 04, 2011, 08:09:51 AM
I have yet to fully map the vast dongas of Silences' cerebral hinterland; unexplored gullies.

does that help the reader out?

Wasn't the question about what a 'donga' is?

And didn't I answer it?

DW :azn:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 04, 2011, 08:24:48 AM
i know what a donga is  -- i have spent many happy hours in them ..... i was asking if anyone who doesnt come from the metopo heights or table mountain, knows what the word means --- can i use it in a text without explaining it. it is a word in the dictionary.

in  my 2ns post i expalined in the text what a donga is --- IS IT NECESSARY FOR ME TO DO THIS?   thats the question
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Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delph_ambi on February 04, 2011, 08:42:45 AM
I doubt if anyone who hasn't lived in Africa knows the word, but the second post explains it well enough.

I was more puzzled by 'cerebral hinterland' frankly.  :scratch:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Pharosian on February 04, 2011, 08:54:19 AM
i was asking if anyone who doesnt come from the metopo heights or table mountain, knows what the word means --- can i use it in a text without explaining it. it is a word in the dictionary.

in  my 2ns post i expalined in the text what a donga is --- IS IT NECESSARY FOR ME TO DO THIS?   thats the question
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Well, it's not in any of MY usual dictionaries, and I checked three of them (Webster's Ninth, American Heritage, and Oxford American online). I finally found it in Chambers, which indicates that it's of Zulu origin and used in South Africa. I was unfamiliar with the term, and I have a pretty big vocabulary. But whether or not you need the additional explanation depends a bit on the context. It sounds as though you're writing a review of a book whose title is or contains the word Silences. If that book pertains to a region where dongas are common, then you probably don't need it. If you're just using a word you happen to know, it sounds as if most people aren't going to know what it means unless they, too, have lived in Africa.

But your proposed explanation is grammatically incorrect and clunky. Even if people don't know the word and can't be bothered to look it up, they should still be able to understand the meaning of the sentence.
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 04, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
thanks delf and DW.....i

in the end -- no matter how absurd it may seem -- it'll all be plausable .... [i hope].....
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 04, 2011, 09:04:01 AM
thanks phar .... most things i write are grammaticaly incorrect ---- mostly i write with a lot of half sentences, much to delf's dismay!

.... silence is the name of a character ......

Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Pharosian on February 04, 2011, 08:11:16 PM
Ah. Then it should have been Silence's cerebral hinterland, rather than Silences'.
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 05, 2011, 01:03:23 PM
Ah. Then it should have been Silence's cerebral hinterland, rather than Silences'.
......huh? :scratch: - how can that be when silence ends wit an 's' sound? --- i'll never get the hang of it, will i? :bangh: :bangh: :bangh: :bangh: :bangh: :bangh:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Pharosian on February 05, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
The main thing is that "Silence" is apparently a character's name, whereas "silences" is a plural noun (I thought it might be the title of a book because of the capitalization.) To make a possessive of a name, add apostrophe s ('s).

For Ross or James or Louise, the final s of the possessive is pronounced (Rosses, Jameses, Louises) so you spell the possessives as Ross's, James's, Louise's.

The only place it gets tricky is when you've got a multi-syllabic name and the stress is on the penultimate syllable.

For example, with Achilles, Jesus, or Ulysses, the possessive is formed with the apostrophe alone (note the possessive is pronounced the same as the name itself):  Achilles', Jesus', Ulysses'.

There are a few exceptions, such as Bayes' Theorem, but if you stick to the rules above you should be all right most of the time. A good style guide is helpful for situations like this.
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 06, 2011, 05:53:58 PM
thanks Far - you certainly seem to no your onions!
note the possessive is pronounced the same as the name itself):  Achilles' ... like: achilles" heel etc

what about a hat that belongs to a duchess -- a duchess' hat ???? how is it pronounced and written?

[what about hats that belongs to many duchesses == how is that pronounced? [duchesses' hats....????????]


[Silence and I quietly watched BigChief and LittleChief quartering the chickenhok on their dawn patrol. The roosters: a brown speckled giant with hostile claws and a display of tail feathers fit to adorn a Duchess' hat, pacing alongside a black bantam cockerel, both on the lookout for any snake nit-witted enough to hope for a breakfast of fresh eggs....]

 :scratch: :scratch:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Pharosian on February 06, 2011, 08:51:21 PM
First of all, I'd probably word it as "the hat of a Duchess." If you absolutely have to word it as given in your example, I believe you have it right (Duchess') as that follows the same convention as the possessive for Jesus (stress on first syllable).

As for the plural possessive, that also looks right (Duchesses').

As for how to pronounce the singular possessive Duchess', refer to my first sentence.   ;)
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delph_ambi on February 07, 2011, 04:48:08 AM
For the singluar, you'd certainly write duchess' hat, but I think you'd say 'duchesses' hat. Just as you'd write Jesus' hat to be correct, but you'd probably say 'Jesuses' hat because it's easier to say and everyone would know what you meant.
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delboy on February 07, 2011, 04:59:53 AM
So if you were talking about a minor feather in the hat belonging to the Duchess' Uncle James, you'd write "The duchess' Uncle James's' hat's feather was scarcely worth talking about" ?

Derek
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delph_ambi on February 07, 2011, 05:16:49 AM
I think the way you've written that, Uncle James must be conjoined twins (both called James).  :scratch:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delboy on February 07, 2011, 05:24:46 AM
Yes, I never intended that second ' to appear. The situation was made more complex because the Duchess's family always referred to Uncle James (who, actually was only visiting) as Unc'e Jam's (pronounced Unkie Jams)... so really should I have written:

"The duchess' Unc'e Jam's's (o'er from watching the football at St James' Park) hat's feather was scarcely worth talking about" ?

 :idiot:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: delph_ambi on February 07, 2011, 06:00:34 AM
Yes! Go to the top of the class!  :afro:
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: LashSlash on February 07, 2011, 09:27:47 AM
phew, to all of that!!!....
Yes! Go to the top of the class!  :afro:
.... no wonder i spent a lot of time in the corner ;)
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Ed on February 07, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
 :scratch: My brain hurts....
Title: Re: who knows 6?
Post by: Rook on February 07, 2011, 01:49:35 PM
We shall have to op-er-ate.