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Offline Ed

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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2007, 05:10:30 AM »
Hmm, interesting points. Personally, I think the whole point of fiction is for the reader to immerse themselves in the story and, quite often, the reader will identify so closely with the main character that they live the life of that character for the duration of the book. Whether or not it's healthy or not is another issue, but I reckon it is healthy enough, as long as the reader can leave that world behind and knows the difference between fiction and reality. That line is being blurred more and more by things like online games such as Warcraft, where some people appear to have developed unhealthy attachments.

Whether romance novels constitute porn or not - I don't know enough about it to judge, TBH - I've never read one. Except Farewell To Arms, which I certainly wouldn't call porn, and nor would even the most puritanical of puritans, I suspect. As for whether darcuii would need medication if she felt romantic feelings for a fictional character, then maybe, but it seems quite normal for readers of romantic fiction to feel that way. For some it lifts them from their lonely and miserable existance, and gives them feelings of joy they would not otherwise be capable of achieving, not to mention companionship and adventure. Sad? Yep, you bet - but there are a hell of a lot of people out there with miserable and in physical terms inescapable realities who need something to make life worth living. And if that comes in the form of a romance novel, well, where's the harm in it? :/
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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2007, 05:29:04 AM »
All fiction is about escapism though, isn't it, Ed?  Not just romance. Sci-fi, horror, fantasy, crime, thrillers, all help people escape from their own mundane world to an exciting, and sometimes frightening world. After which they can return to their own safe lives glad that they haven't had to fight off an alien slime creature or get eaten by Hannibal Lecter. As you say, it's healthy as long as people can detach themselves from it and return to the real world.

It's also possible to become aroused (not necessarily sexually) by reading an exciting story. Good writing does that.

Incidentally, the most arousing piece of writing I ever read was in Les Liaisons Dangereuses, where Valmont describes teaching his protege 'a few latin phrases'. That comment can hardly be called pornography (though it was probably quite shocking at the time). It was a great example of the 'less is more' school of writing.

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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2007, 05:48:05 AM »
All fiction is about escapism though, isn't it, Ed?  Not just romance. Sci-fi, horror, fantasy, crime, thrillers, all help people escape from their own mundane world to an exciting, and sometimes frightening world. After which they can return to their own safe lives glad that they haven't had to fight off an alien slime creature or get eaten by Hannibal Lecter.

Yep, absolutely. I think a lot of us, if we had the nerve to take a risk, could escape our own reality and live more exciting lives in real terms, but fiction is the safer option. Books, films, TV, recreational drugs, alcohol - all forms of escapism. Makes you wonder why we live this way, doesn't it? :scratch:
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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2007, 05:51:16 AM »
We should be glad we do (re the writing rather than the drugs!) because otherwise we'd never sell a story ;)

We need to escape. It's a way of giving the brain a rest from the everyday worries we have. Otherwise we'd crack under the strain.

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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2007, 09:27:11 AM »
The definition of FICTION (for me) is that it MOVES you. You do become emotional involved in the story (whatever genre) and cheer for the hero, heroine, or if you prefer the villain. If I write a piece that makes someone cry, laugh, cringe, have goosebumps, or feel the full range of human emotions, then I feel I have written a damn good piece of fiction.

As a multi-published--yes, I'm dragging out my pedigree here, as a number of us could in this board--NONFICTION author, with a variety of works including (but not limited to!  :santa_wink:) newspapers, magazines, academic journals, speeches, and textbooks, I find FICTION much harder to write than nonfiction. It is hard work to create a world that a reader will enter and not want to leave for 12 hours (an average book read). That dream that great fiction brings us, that takes us out of our daily grind, is a creation of sweat and inspiration.

No matter what the genre, if you can do that, then you have achieved the goal of fiction.

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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2007, 11:11:43 AM »
What's more, the characters will have earned their time in bed together by going through various obstacles to their love.

Well put, Sallyq! When I critique my partners' works (or any romance that I read), I often note that their characters must EARN their Happily Ever After (HEA) through conflicts and overcoming obstacles that make their relationship stronger. Then the story delivers a satisfying ending to the reader.
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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2007, 07:55:00 PM »
The last time I had a crush on a fictional character was Tran in Brian Keene's DEAD SEA. I tend to be incredibly romantic when it comes to the fictional world, making up all sorts of imaginary characters (on my part) and situations in order to "interact" with the author's characters. Am I weird? Yes. Undeniably. Luckily I am able to apply Ed's point; I know the difference between those flights of fancy versus the real world.

As for porn, I don't agree that arousal (even intent of arousal) = porn. A lot of you made the points for me, so I'll simply agree that arousing a reader is a compliment . There is a big difference between people immersed in a plot having sex with each other and a plot being pulled out of someone's ass purely to give a thin excuse for people to swap body fluids.

Woman: Oh no! I forgot to get money out of the ATM, however will I pay for this pizza?

Delivery Boy: Oh, I have an idea.

Woman: Well... my husband has been distant lately.

Delivery boy: Did you say something? I was busy taking my pants off.

Woman: I was just saying that...oh forget it. Take me, you freakishly well hung adonis!


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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2007, 08:35:29 PM »
We should be glad we do (re the writing rather than the drugs!) because otherwise we'd never sell a story ;)


Seemed to work for Hunter S Thompson.  :smiley:

Oh wait, no - he shot himself...although he sold lots of stories.

Hmmm, not sure where I'm going with this...

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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2007, 10:24:49 AM »
Woman: Oh no! I forgot to get money out of the ATM, however will I pay for this pizza?

Delivery Boy: Oh, I have an idea.

Woman: Well... my husband has been distant lately.

Delivery boy: Did you say something? I was busy taking my pants off.

Woman: I was just saying that...oh forget it. Take me, you freakishly well hung adonis!

Why'd you stop?? You were just getting to the good part!!  :santa_grin:
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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2007, 11:11:45 AM »


Woman: Oh no! I forgot to get money out of the ATM, however will I pay for this pizza?

Delivery Boy: Oh, I have an idea.

Woman: Well... my husband has been distant lately.

Delivery boy: Did you say something? I was busy taking my pants off.

Woman: I was just saying that...oh forget it. Take me, you freakishly well hung adonis!



Pornographer! :pissed:
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Re: Define "Erotic"
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2007, 12:18:20 PM »
I came to Cafe Doom thinking it would be full of fairies and elves, dancing merrily around a maypole. And what do I find? Filth!  :shocked:

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