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Offline LesFloyd

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Star Trek is Rubbish
« on: February 24, 2005, 04:55:15 AM »
To mark the release of 'Star Wars: Episode Three - Revenge of the Sith' on 05/05/05, I would just like to say that Star Trek is far too PC. No matter how many visionary ideas the serieses (what's the plural of series?) had, it's still a vision of a future nanny-state, without the pretty nannies.

Star Wars has lightsabers, Death Stars, Carrie Fisher AND Natalie Portman wearing skimpy clothes, and proper space-battles. Star Trek had whales and Shatner, currently appearing in Breakfast Cereal commercials here in the UK. Even Mark Hamill didn't sink so low...  :huh:

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2005, 04:46:27 PM »
I agree - Captain Dietry-fibre is a woose >:(  Any guy that wears a rug and a corset earns my undying disrespect.  I particularly loathe series that have a little 'message' in every episode, such as Star Trek the Next Generation - with Captain Slap-head and a plethora of weirdos for crew.   :grin:

They might have fared well against the Borg, but I'd like to see them take on Darth Vader... even if the man in the suit was the former Green Cross Code man, and his local-yokel Zummerzet accent had to be dubbed-over by James Earl Jones's voice :scratch:

I would love to have heard the first edit, "Luke, I is thee's faaaather... c'mon overr un joyne tha darrrk syde, me birrd...." :shocked:
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2005, 01:52:24 AM »
Damn. May already? I gotta catch me kids up on the old series. They've only seen the first of the old ones. My nine-year-old is still trying to wrap her head around the pre-quel concept.  For the 7 year old, it all jumbles together.


And I liked Star Trek--so there! :bleh:

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2005, 03:07:50 AM »
I worked in a hotel up in Arran (Scottish Island, off the coast of Scotchland) and the lady owner was, apparently, a good friend of David Prowse. I told her that George Lucas had fed him the wrong line, when filming The Empire Strikes Back ("Obi-wan is your father"), because they suspected him of leaking stories to the media. She didn't seem very pleased.

Anyway, David Prowse wasn't Darth Vader... Bob Anderson was Vader in the duels with Mark Hamill (the important bits)and James Earl Jones' voice really made the character.

I really don't like the 'morality lessons' in Star Trek (and most American sit-coms, such as 'The Munsters Today' - horrible). If you cheat on an exam and pass it with flying colours, there's no need for soul-searching, lectures from your friends & family or guilt. It's a result!  :grin:
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2005, 04:11:38 PM »
I've only seen a tidbit of a Star Trek movie, but it was beyond a derogatory superlative to describe its horror :cry:
However Shatner seems like a great bloke, with plenty of self-irony..
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2005, 07:16:18 AM »
I agree about Shatner.  I've loved his recent series of commercials on TV and radio in the UK for some breakfast cereal, sending up the idea of the stock American abroad, and 50s-type advertising.

As for what he wore in Star Trek, I don't imagine he had a lot of choice if he wanted the role!

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 10:54:05 PM »
Hey, let's go easy on my Shatner! >:(

I'm a big Trek fan! Saw all five series, every episode, every movie (own them all on DVD) and have tons of Trek books!

And, Shatner looks great in BOSTON LEGAL!!  :cheesy:
He's my guy and I absolutely adore him!!! :afro:

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 03:22:36 AM »
William Shatner seems like he would be a genuinely nice guy in real life - he doesn't take himself too seriously, and I generally like people like that. :smiley:
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 04:13:00 AM »
Me too, and Lanie, when Les FLoyd started this thread in another time zone, his tongue was firmly in his cheek. :)

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2006, 05:31:56 PM »
Thank you, guys!

Oh, and Blunt, Shatner is an ARIES!!  :D

He was also on THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN as the Big Giant Head! It was hysterical!  :grin:

I consider Shatner as God of all that is Star Trek!  :afro:

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 05:42:52 PM »
Third Rock from the Sun was an hilarious series - dunno why I didn't watch more of it.  Well, I do, actually.  I lose track of what's on where and when now we've got a hundred different channels and half of them are showing repeats at the same time as the new series.  I get confused with it all.  Stopped watching 24 for the same reason - just couldn't find it ::)
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 06:02:04 PM »
  Stopped watching 24 for the same reason - just couldn't find it ::)

Do you get lost looking for Lost?   :bleh:

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 06:12:18 PM »
Yes - actually, I do :huh:  I've only seen about three of the whole series :scratch:
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2006, 06:28:26 PM »
I gotta defend the guy. He's Canadian, dammit! Appeared at the Stratford Festival in Ontario in it's formative years. Bill's a good actor who got type-cast and decided to just sit back and enjoy the dough. I say, more power to him (even if he does speak like every word is it's own sentence!).

Anybody who can sell a kidney stone and raise $25,000 for charity deserves a bit of respect.

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2006, 06:31:20 PM »
In Philly, 24 comes on Monday nights on Fox. Reruns of this season are being shown during the summer on Friday night: Fox. Love that Keifer!!!!! :P

LOST is another great show! That comes on Wednesday nights at 9:pm (during the fall), on ABC.

Does anybody here watch the summer reality show HELL'S KITCHEN with Gordon Ramsey? Best reality show I've ever seen, and I do not like those particular shows.

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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2006, 07:56:05 AM »


Did any of you see "Invasion Iowa"? It's the only reality TV show that actually had me peeing my pants.

No.  What's it about? :scratch: 

Big Brother is actually quite entertaining this time around, in small doses.  Looks like Pete, a tourette's sufferer, will win it.  He cracks me up - he's such an extrovert.  Also, when Big Brother announces that they're going live and asks them to keep their language down, I suppose the tension gets to him, and he can't help but shout out, "Wankers!"

When he first went into the house, some charity org started complaining that he would be made a laughing stock, but I think him being in there has actually raised public awareness and done some good for other sufferers.
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2006, 04:34:36 PM »


Did any of you see "Invasion Iowa"? It's the only reality TV show that actually had me peeing my pants.

No.  What's it about? :scratch: 

“Invasion Iowa” was an audacious hoax. The show producers convinced the entire population of a small town into believing that William Shatner was shooting a science fiction movie in their hamlet, when in fact, everything in front of and behind the cameras was faked.

They chose Riverside Iowa (pop. 930) – the self-proclaimed future birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk. A Riverside resident named Steve Miller had once petitioned Gene Rodenberry on behalf of the town for this distinction, and Rodenberry happily agreed. In the subsequent twenty years, the town built a statue of the 'USS Riverside,' held an annual Trek Fest parade, and generally embraced all things Kirk. But their favorite son, William Shatner, had never visited.

Watching the townspeople audition, in all good faith, for a William Shatner sci fi movie was pure, unadulterated hilarity. One woman showed up for her audition bearing home-baked pies, thinking it would make her a shoo-in for a film role! Because I’ve worked in community theatre for so many years, I recognized a lot of the wannabe-types in this show. It was a scream.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2006, 07:03:18 PM »
 :grin:  Sounds hilarious, if a little cruel.  There was one on British TV recently, where they convinced a bunch of numpties they were going to be cosmonauts on a space station.  They went to great lengths to make them believe they were in Russia, when they were actually on a disused airforce base, or something like that.  I'm not sure how far they got with it, but the people were pretty thick.  I think it might have got cancelled after a few weeks.  The people they chose were the wrong side of gullible and closer to imbecillic.  So thick it wasn't funny any more, kind of thing :idiot:
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2006, 03:39:12 AM »
Wow, what a topic.. i am a geek so excuse me if I take offense to this.  I like star trek and star wars but you are talking 2 totally differnet eras....

As far as Shatner... OMG is there a funnier guy?  Anyone seen Boston Legal?  HILARIOUS...

As for the other shows.. lost had me lost.. not that i couldnt follow the story... just wasnt entertaining enough for me to devote anytime too..

24?  Yah better... but i will wait till its in syndication.. .so I can catch it every night and actually follow the story line (like Xfiles... great show... but after season 2 if you missed an episode you were in the dark, i believe thats called a soap opera in the us...)

Anyway lets compare Star Trek and Star Wars in face value...

Star Trek had black people and mini skirts in the 60's something unheard of for its time...

Star Wars had a possible gay guy that fell in love with his sister

Star Trek had sex slaves in bikins in the 60's,,,,  Starwars had leia in a biking 20 years later... (minimum)  oh yah and her brother wanted her...

Star trek had a main charecter that was memorable... umm where is mark hammil now?  Oh yeah he did play Cock Knocker in Jay and Silent Bob strike back... (hell even Leonard Nimoy had a somewhat career.. i think he was on nova plus he does the voice in civilization 4 the PC game :D )

Lets see where else to continue

Did I mention the orion slave girls?  hubba hubba

Oh yah  miniskirts?

Um bikins and min skirts in case i forgot to mention them


I will be PC and not say what I think, but Star Trek had half naked girls.. and star wars didnt (until almost 20 years later)  how does that even compare????


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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2006, 07:55:41 PM »
Well, among all the overacting by Shatner and some really bad story lines, there were a few memorable episodes.

'Bread and Circuses'    This was the one where they were taken prisoner on a planet where Roman gladiator fights were broadcast on television. The episode had a great script and a better premise. The premise was that a renegade Starship captain had brought technology (prime directive no-no) to the planet, including phasers. "I emptied three power packs...and they still kept coming..."  Good one, maybe the best.

'Balance of Terror'   This episode was a direct rip-off of the old war movie with Robert Mitchum and Curt Jurgens, 'The Enemy Below.' Great episode, but such a blatant copy that Roddenberry eventually settled with the producers of the movie for an undisclosed sum.

'Spock's Command'  Another wonderful episode. Spock and company are stranded on an asteroid planet in a shuttlecraft. At the end, they manage to make orbit, but Spock blows off all their remaining fuel and ignites it as a distress signal...a totally human reaction, and not logical at all...and the crew does not let him forget it.

'The Trouble With Tribbles'   Trekkies love this one. I thought it was downright dumb...(lol)

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 10:28:58 AM »
Funny, I watched one of the Star Trek films this afternoon and it made me think of this thread. I say I watched it, but what actually happened was I saw the beginning, where Kirk gets killed saving the Enterprise, then while Kirk went off to the temporal nexus, I went off to the land of nod, and woke up just in time to see Kirk get killed again. Perfect afternoon, really :afro:
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2008, 11:45:32 PM »
I thought this was hysterical! But lower the volume if you've got little pitchers with you, or just wait until they're asleep:

http://piquanthumour.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-you-have-tray-darth-vader.html

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 02:31:53 AM »
That's hilarious :grin:
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Re: Star Trek is Rubbish
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2009, 03:47:36 AM »
To mark the release of 'Star Wars: Episode Three - Revenge of the Sith' on 05/05/05, I would just like to say that Star Trek is far too PC. No matter how many visionary ideas the serieses (what's the plural of series?) had, it's still a vision of a future nanny-state, without the pretty nannies.


Please compare with stuff like Star Gate, with almost no aliens, all beings on othr planets ar humans dressed in normal clothes speaking modern english etc.

The only show that I sawsink lower in terms of in universe characters is Charmed .

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